Parenting
Should Tina Make Her Daughters Visit Their Dad?
12/30/2011 6:00:44 PM
Dear Dr. Archer,
I was able to get out of a verbally and physically abusive relationship about two years ago. The problem is my children's father. I was finally able to get a restraining order and press charges when he beat me in front of them. 

My daughters want no contact with him. My 8 year old is scared of him, and my 14 year old hates him. Their father thinks I should let him see the children, but I will not force them. Am I wrong for this? I have visitation at my discretion, and I don't think he is a fit parent.

I told the children that if they wanted to contact him, they can, but it's always "no." I don't know if they're saying that because they think it's what I want to hear, or if that's the way they really feel. 

Personally, I live in fear of the man and what he may do, but should my daughter be scared of her dad?
Tina

Dear Tina,
Congrats for having the strength to leave this abusive jerk. You are a survivor- bravo! I can very well appreciate your concern about visitation, because in most cases, fathers are very beneficial to their children's well-being. However, in this case—I agree with you, just say NO!

Tina, I have no doubt that your children love you beyond measure, and I'm certain you return that love tenfold. That said, sit them down and explain that you love them beyond words, and that you want nothing but the best for them. Tell them that they are your most prized possessions, the most important things in your life, and your love knows no bounds. 

Then tell them if they would like to see their dad, it will not hurt your feelings, it will not make you love them less, it will not change the way you feel about them in the least bit. It’s their decision.

Listen to how they respond. If they know they can tell you anything, they will speak up about this and tell you the truth. If they don't want to see him, tell them you will respect their wishes. But let them know that if ever the day comes that they do want to contact him, all they have to do is tell you, and you will make it happen.

You can read "I Feel Like I'm A Screwup" and "Trisha's Kids Suffer Because Of Her Husband".  As important as fathers can be, sometimes it's better if they're just out of the picture, letting the children live in peace. Your case sounds like a prime example of this.

As far as your daughters hating and being scared of their father, he served up that fear himself by his own actions. Make sure they have good male role models in their lives -- grandfathers, uncles, close friends -- men you trust. Wishing you all the best.
Dr. Archer
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16 Comments
12/30/2011 6:22:55 PM
I completely agree. Make sure they are not just saying no out of loyalty to you and leave the door open, but if they truly don't wish to see him, it's good they don't have to.
12/30/2011 8:55:42 PM
i agree with Dr. A. do NOT force your daughters to see their father. they saw him beat you and are rightfully afraid that he will turn on them as well. i have watched many children grow up without their fathers when those fathers were either deadbeats or abusive to the mother. if those children have a strong male role model, such as an uncle or grandparent, they become happy, healthy adults. even without a familial male role model, it is possible for them to grow up with a healthy attitude toward men if they are shown other men that are good examples of adulthood.
you are a strong woman that has survived an horrible situation. trust your instincts and listen to your girls. they may want to reestablish a relationship with their father when they are grown and do not feel vulnerable to his rage.
i applaud you for your strength and for the obvious concern that your daughters grow up to be wonderful women.
1/1/2012 2:26:16 AM
Tina,
Dr. Archer is so right about your girls visitations. I went through a lot of the same stuff, only thing was my kids was so close too their dad, when he left, and virtually just stopped seeing them when he moved forward with someone else. He and his new love interest had been using my kids to hide secrets of where they were taking my kids, and telling them not tell me. No one's child is responsible for the adult decisions that are made for their safety. I will not tolerate that by no means, and protect my kids emotional health from harm at all cost. I have spent years with therapists to keep my kids falling from further risks. Depression is heartbreaking for kids, and even worse when you are a single parent because you yourself feel so helpless when you can't give them everything that you dreamed for them.
I kept my kids busy with volunteering for a wild horse sanctuary here, they are very therapeutic for anyone, but kids even more. My daughter spent over 7 years in our county 4H Horse mastership program, and it helped her to know end to rebuild her confidence in herself. 4H offers a lot of other projects as well, sewing, fishing, camping, raising farm animals(beef,sheep, pigs, chickens, turkeys, goats, rabbits) for fair, they actually earn money when their animal goes to auction, which some kids who raise beef if they show and win grand champion they can earn up to 10,000 dollars depending on your area, a great way to save for college. 4H club is run by the kids entirely, with adults as basically monitoring they maintain the club rules. They learn a lot of leadership skills too.
My daughter spent over 3 years as Club Secretary. I had my daughter draft up her resume when she was looking for work to include all the community service work she has done. You will find a lot of support if you search within your community for the kids programs. Male Role models are very important for boys, and girls. I was fortunate to have my dad for that too bring my oldest son out of his. A good place to heal is Church too. Your Girls need to feel safe at all times, They deserve so much more than what they have endured. Keep them safe. Your Ex Husband has issues he wont face, and not mentally stable. God Bless you and your girls Happy New Year in 2012. Stay in touch Tina we love to hear back from stories like yours here. Sherry
1/1/2012 6:52:43 PM
I belive the kids are honest and they say what they truly feel... Kids don't lie, they can't. And they can't hide their feelings. I know of a similar story, where the kids fear the dad, and never want to see him. Then he calls and 'demands' to see them, his wife will say 'they don't want to see you' and she is also afraid of him as much as they are. Finally he will insist to come over and visit them, and will take them out for a walk or something, then bring them back, and they are relieved when they are back to their mum. Sad story as well.The girl has regretted having married, but now it's too late. Still, she has her 2 kids and let's hope she can meet someone else for her to be with.
Sue
1/3/2012 11:43:50 AM
Definitely NO Tina! The doc is right your kids have every reason to not want to see their dad. But, like he said, if they ever do want to see him then just let them know it's OK. Your kids have been through too much and it's OK if they don't want to see their dad right now. My kids don't want to visit with their dad b/c of his drinking problem. I'm getting ready to fight for full custody but I have told my kids that once their dad gets better, I will let them see him any time they want. Right now they're having to see him b/c we have joint custody but almost every time they are there, I have to go pick them up b/c he passes out and can't be woken up. My heart breaks for my kids b/c they want their dad to get better but only he can make himself better. I wish you the best Tina as I know it's rough on your children. I'm so glad you got out of that relationship though. You're a hero for doing so!
1/7/2012 10:08:02 PM
Hi Tina,
I am so sorry that you went through being abused like that but very happy for you that you broke away from it. No one and I mean no one deserves that!!! You children have witnessed something that no children should ever have to and with that I believe does come problems.

Just my opinion but I would encourage your children to talk to you in how they feel about the whole situation and their father. Please do let them know their father's behaviour had and has absolutely nothing to do with them or you. I always say this but when people have an abusive trait something is buried that needs to be dealt with or it could be a serious medical condition that needs attention.

I so agree with Dr Archer encourage them to be honest about how their feeling and why about their father and yes respect their decision about it all. They need time to heal from this horrific ordeal this kind of thing damages the soul but I am sure you know that.

You all need the time to heal and if it were me I would not trust someone with my kids who is so violent no way. If he loves his children then he will show them by getting help and a whole lot of time to prove he has changed for the better. Tina you and your children deserve to live a life of freedom and peace.

My prayers are with you!!!!

1/11/2012 11:51:30 AM
Thank you so much for the words of inspiration. This has been a hard road. We talked and they miss having a dad but do not want there dad. But we talked about good role models that have stepped in. that hole can be filled by other then blood father. They need allot of love and prayers and I too.we have each other and god we wilkes heal, lurn , and grow from this.     
DDA
1/12/2012 7:53:49 AM
Absolutely, Lola. It would just cause more drama and trauma.
DDA
1/12/2012 7:54:13 AM
Good comments, Cynthia. Thanks for sharing.
DDA
1/12/2012 7:54:47 AM
Grandfathers can be invaluable role models, can't they, Sherry? But you bring up so many other ways for children to get great, supportive male involvement. Your sons were lucky to have such a dedicated mom to raise
DDA
1/12/2012 7:55:25 AM
So true, Marcia. When the children talk, we must listen. Their innocence speaks the truth.
DDA
1/12/2012 7:56:01 AM
You may want to get Child Protective Services involved in your case, Sue. You have to pick them up because he's passed out? While he’s caring for them? Yep. Call CPS.
DDA
1/12/2012 7:57:23 AM
Thank you, Sonja, for adding your comments and advice.
1/15/2012 9:31:27 AM
My 14 year old will be seeing dad today. she wants some closure. I am worried. The last thing he told her was she is worthless and not his daughter, because she called the police. I hope she is able to get it out. He can't lie his way out because she witnessed it. I will be a wreck. I told them it was there choice so here we go.
1/18/2012 8:18:44 PM
She saw dad and says he has changed. Wow we have heard that before. I can't goback on my word about seeing him. So I guess she will live and lurn like I did.
DDA
1/18/2012 10:29:59 PM
All the best, Tina; we're pulling for you and your daughters! Let us know how the meeting goes.
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